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Or thane:I absolutely hate this, not Liam Knight as i'd be happy with him here, what i hate is that Burgess wasn't interested in the first place.He's knows him, has played with him, would have known he was available but wasn't interested, now he's playing really well Burgess is suddenly interested in poaching him. My confidence in Burgess has disintegrated very quickly, and he seems deluded and panicky with things he's doing. If we sign Him we should get rid of Musgrove and keep Vaughan. Byrne, Knight, Vaughan, Harrison, Yates, Philbin & Wood looks pretty solid, Crowther as back up possibly as well. Dan Russell i had a good feeling about, then saw him play and oh dear, not his fault but he's more championship level. We need 2 new good props minimum, and Either Play leyland or let him go. And just move on from Russell, and hopefully Lindop and Wrench both stay fit and keep developing. I like king, nothing fancy but is a workhorse centre and makes more yards and gets us on the front foot more than our props at times. And only costing 50k on the cap is a BIG plus, but the fact we haven't re-signed him already suggests he's on his way out. To be fair on Burgess didn't Knight only become available mid season when we had no quota spots left? Whether we should have filled that last spot with Russell is obviously the question we all know the answer to, its left our hands tied - maybe we would have been in a better position to bring Amone in if we had that flexibility of a free spot. Bringing in Russell certainly seems panic stations after losing Bateman & Nicholson, keeping our powder dry would have seemed the better option. King at £50k on the cap works well for his current contract, but I'm sure his next deal will be lower so the benefit is reduced, maybe having Walker / Ashton on £100k cap or Currie on £50k cap may work just as well. I'd keep King, but his salary has to be right and as you say Lindop should be considered first choice centre next year on his preferred side. Wrench I think at this stage can only be considered a back up given his injury issues of the past two years. |
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Or thane:I absolutely hate this, not Liam Knight as i'd be happy with him here, what i hate is that Burgess wasn't interested in the first place.He's knows him, has played with him, would have known he was available but wasn't interested, now he's playing really well Burgess is suddenly interested in poaching him. My confidence in Burgess has disintegrated very quickly, and he seems deluded and panicky with things he's doing. If we sign Him we should get rid of Musgrove and keep Vaughan. Byrne, Knight, Vaughan, Harrison, Yates, Philbin & Wood looks pretty solid, Crowther as back up possibly as well. Dan Russell i had a good feeling about, then saw him play and oh dear, not his fault but he's more championship level. We need 2 new good props minimum, and Either Play leyland or let him go. And just move on from Russell, and hopefully Lindop and Wrench both stay fit and keep developing. I like king, nothing fancy but is a workhorse centre and makes more yards and gets us on the front foot more than our props at times. And only costing 50k on the cap is a BIG plus, but the fact we haven't re-signed him already suggests he's on his way out. To be fair on Burgess didn't Knight only become available mid season when we had no quota spots left? Whether we should have filled that last spot with Russell is obviously the question we all know the answer to, its left our hands tied - maybe we would have been in a better position to bring Amone in if we had that flexibility of a free spot. Bringing in Russell certainly seems panic stations after losing Bateman & Nicholson, keeping our powder dry would have seemed the better option. King at £50k on the cap works well for his current contract, but I'm sure his next deal will be lower so the benefit is reduced, maybe having Walker / Ashton on £100k cap or Currie on £50k cap may work just as well. I'd keep King, but his salary has to be right and as you say Lindop should be considered first choice centre next year on his preferred side. Wrench I think at this stage can only be considered a back up given his injury issues of the past two years. | |
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We can’t be a team of academy players, means we can have a good look at him for a potential move next year. Stone as far as I know is only on a deal to the end of this year?
The long term view of the club is academy produced players. This doesn’t change that.
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We can’t be a team of academy players, means we can have a good look at him for a potential move next year. Stone as far as I know is only on a deal to the end of this year?
The long term view of the club is academy produced players. This doesn’t change that.
the other problem is, people want academy players playing, until they dont. The wakey away game, you had people slagging jake thewlis off for having a bad game. The entire team was poor that day. Over a larger sample size i think he's filled in pretty well, he's not ashton, but for whats being asked of him, i can't fault him. He's almost a carbon copy of his brother (who people went after a few years ago after a couple of dodgy games) Wrench on sunday, he probably/definitely should have passed that ball, 99/100 the fb is expecting the pass, that comes off and sky are ing themselves silly about him having the confidence to do that sort of thing, as a youngster. In the grand scheme of things, where we are, howe we're playing he should have made the safe option of the pass, but again young player backing himself. People even had a pop at holroyd, who's been the model of consistency, he's limited in attack and arguably undersized, i've even seen people having a pop at irwin this weekend not being good enough/ready. our support base is arguably as problematic as the club itself. | | |
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I'm not on Facebook (thankfully) but on the whole (from my experience) I thought Wire fans had turned the corner in that regard and were willing to give youngsters a go......we definitely seemed to have improved in that area - barring a few idiots.
Also I've heard Vaughan has signed for York and if the wages (I've heard) York are paying him are true.....then I'd cut the board some slack for not matching it, however much we'll miss him.
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| Fantastic Mr Cat:Alffi_7:
We can’t be a team of academy players, means we can have a good look at him for a potential move next year. Stone as far as I know is only on a deal to the end of this year?
The long term view of the club is academy produced players. This doesn’t change that.
the other problem is, people want academy players playing, until they dont. The wakey away game, you had people slagging jake thewlis off for having a bad game. The entire team was poor that day. Over a larger sample size i think he's filled in pretty well, he's not ashton, but for whats being asked of him, i can't fault him. He's almost a carbon copy of his brother (who people went after a few years ago after a couple of dodgy games) Wrench on sunday, he probably/definitely should have passed that ball, 99/100 the fb is expecting the pass, that comes off and sky are ing themselves silly about him having the confidence to do that sort of thing, as a youngster. In the grand scheme of things, where we are, howe we're playing he should have made the safe option of the pass, but again young player backing himself. People even had a pop at holroyd, who's been the model of consistency, he's limited in attack and arguably undersized, i've even seen people having a pop at irwin this weekend not being good enough/ready. our support base is arguably as problematic as the club itself. Fair points. Jake has done well I think filling in. As an understudy to Ashton he is fine. Wrench cannot really be classed as an academy player promotion now after making his debut 5 years ago(?) He needs to be putting down a marker to earn the starting centre shirt now. Holroyd is limited in attack and undersized at 13 stone currently. Surely there is no debate on that. But I'm looking forward to how he progresses, he has a massive heart. Ridiculous to criticise Irwin. There are some other players in the squad that I would like to know what is happening with their progression. Tupaea Bardsley-Rowe Green Thomas I am miffed about Whitehead being moved on due to "lack of opportunities" at 2nd row, and then we recruit a 2nd row. | | | |
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| Fantastic Mr Cat:Alffi_7:
We can’t be a team of academy players, means we can have a good look at him for a potential move next year. Stone as far as I know is only on a deal to the end of this year?
The long term view of the club is academy produced players. This doesn’t change that.
the other problem is, people want academy players playing, until they dont. The wakey away game, you had people slagging jake thewlis off for having a bad game. The entire team was poor that day. Over a larger sample size i think he's filled in pretty well, he's not ashton, but for whats being asked of him, i can't fault him. He's almost a carbon copy of his brother (who people went after a few years ago after a couple of dodgy games) Wrench on sunday, he probably/definitely should have passed that ball, 99/100 the fb is expecting the pass, that comes off and sky are ing themselves silly about him having the confidence to do that sort of thing, as a youngster. In the grand scheme of things, where we are, howe we're playing he should have made the safe option of the pass, but again young player backing himself. People even had a pop at holroyd, who's been the model of consistency, he's limited in attack and arguably undersized, i've even seen people having a pop at irwin this weekend not being good enough/ready. our support base is arguably as problematic as the club itself. Totally with you that our support base is a worry. How would anyone throw crap at Jake Thewlis/Holroyd ... it is just sick. We can't pretend that if we pick lots of youngsters then the negativity will stop. We have to be very careful judging our support base with those who post on Facebook or various forums. There is a group of people/fans who just don't get involved and don't enjoy the online "banter". | | | |
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