The one person who stands out as an enigma when you compare his stats to what people seemed to see on the pitch is Jones.



You look at his stats and they are far too low for him to have been on the field. But most people, including me, thought he didnt have a bad game

We can't class the likes of lomax, makinson, wheeler, Turner etc as youngsters anymore. They have been around long enough and experienced some big games like finals and semi finals.



The new youngsters are the likes of Percival, swift, Walker, Thompson, greenwood etc.

I bet Makinson's played nearly 100 games for Saints, including 2 x grand finals. He's also had experience with the England Knights.

It doesn't mean we don't have experience, but I think you need to win a grand final to know how to win a grand final - which is why we've only seen 4 winners in 20 year - and it becomes significantly harder without players who have done it.

I don't think our experienced players are worth anything. Their experience of consistently losing finals is more relevant.

So having those experienced in winning finals is even more relevant - glad you agree saddened